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William Lane Craig slanders Richard Dawkins


manicstreetpreacher wonders whether it can get any worse.

A comment was posted on my thread about Dawkins’ public rejection of a debate against American Christian apologist William Lane Craig by Galactor.  The comment refers to a video of Craig grossly misrepresenting Dawkins’ views on religious upbringing constituting child abuse.

In a video posted on the drcragvideos YouTube channel entitled “Richard Dawkins and Fascism”, Craig is filmed saying that in Chapter 9 of The God Delusion, Dawkins proposes/ discusses/ implies/ whatever piece of verbal casuistry you wish to attach to it that the state ought to separate children from their religious parents by force.  Anyone who has actually bothered to read Dawkins’ book will know that he says no such thing.

I post the original video, together with a response from another YouTube user and a comment Dawkins himself posted on the debate forum in reply to the video so readers can make up their own minds.

The potentially libellous video in full from “drcraigvideos”:

A handy response from another YouTube user:

You can read Robert M Price’s damning assessment on Craig’s biblical scholarship to which the clip refers here.

Dawkins’ response to the video on the forum:

Re: Richard Dawkins on the Bill O’Reilly Show october 9th 2009

by Richard Dawkins >> Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:10 pm

Do we have any legally savvy readers who might comment on whether Craig’s remarks in this film are actually libellous?  I have described as child abuse the labelling of small children with the religion of their parents.  I have also described as child abuse the practice of frightening children (the effects often last their whole life through) by teaching them they might fry in hell after death.  Craig goes from that to the absurd statement that I would, if in political power, go into homes, forcibly seize children and take them away from their families.  Of course I wouldn’t.  My aim is only to RAISE CONSCIOUSNESS so that our whole society recognizes the evil that is being done to children.

If you look at the Comments on the YouTube version of this film, there is a particularly obnoxious character called “DrCraigVideos” who repeatedly states that in Chapter 9 of <em>The God Delusion</em> I advocate state seizure of children.  Numerous other posters challenge him to give a page reference, but he repeatedly fails to do so, merely saying “Chapter 9”.  Some commenters seem to assume that “DrCraigVideos” is Craig himself, although he frequently refers in the third person to “Dr” Craig (amusingly I am just plain “Dawkins”).  Can anyone throw any light on this? Is “DrCraigVideos” the same individual as William Lane Craig?

And is Craig’s claim, in the film, libellous?


This is an absolutely disgraceful smear tactic by Craig.  Just when I thought that my opinion of the man couldn’t possibly get any lower, he resorts to outright lies to discredit Dawkins and join the ranks of O’Reilly, Robertson, Falwell and Coulter as a conservative TV pundit dedicated to bashing all things secular.

Never mind scraping the bottom of the barrel, we’ve removed the base entirely from the mo-fo and are tunnelling straight for Oz!